Fred Hsu Of ClubID: A Membership Platform For Web3 & IRL Communities, Plus: Max Smotrtiskiy Of CryptoOracle Collective, And More…

March 25, 2023
NFT Fred Hsu | Membership Platform

The beauty of Web3 does not have to end in the virtual world. Using the right membership platform, you can put your NFTs to use even in IRL communities. This is exactly what Fred Hsu has done through ClubID, building the modern Web3 identity. Joining Eathan Janney and Josh Kriger, he delves into how their platform works using the right CRM approach, QR codes, and even token gating. Fred also discusses how they stay ahead of the curve and build interconnected communities all sharing one exciting experience. For this episode's Hot Topics, Max Smotritskiy explains how they are fostering Web3 growth at CryptoOracle Collective while providing community-oriented advisory to those interested in working in crypto.

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Fred Hsu Of ClubID: A Membership Platform For Web3 & IRL Communities, Plus: Max Smotrtiskiy Of CryptoOracle Collective, And More…

This is Fred Hsu of ClubID, the software identity platform powering the authentication, enablement and commerce layer of IRL experiences for Web3 communities. I'm here on the Edge of NFT, the show that helps you build your identity as knowledgeable Web3 leaders.

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NFT-curious readers, stay tuned for this episode to learn about ClubID's vision of how Web3 IRL can be a whole new world of possibilities, how our guest's prized possession is a unique piece of jewelry with a timeless utility and finally how CryptoOracle Collective is creating an incredible community of support and growth. Lastly, NFT LA 2022 was a blast. It was also a blast-off in a giant plume of bright burning rocket fuel. Web3, NFTs, blockchain, decentralization and a suite of immersive new tech developments have exploded onto the canvas of life.

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To register to attend or learn how to co-create an experience on the Outer Edge, head over to OuterEdge.live. You can also head on over to Hackathon.OuterEdge.live to register for our hackathon, which is happening two days before the event. You can have an opportunity if you play your cards right to attend the actual event for free if you submit a project through the hackathon for judging. Go to that site and apply for the hackathon too. This event and everything we're talking about are being organized by the Edge of Company and the founders of the show.

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This episode features Fred Hsu, Cofounder of ClubID, a platform known for building the modern Web3 identity. Fred has many years of experience as an entrepreneur and technologist, successfully founding three startups across the internet, technology and media sectors. Previously, Fred was the Cofounder and Chairman of Ember Entertainment, a mobile game studio responsible for the development of the new blockchain-based game for the AAA franchise, The Walking Dead, acquired by Gala Games in 2021.

Fred was also the Cofounder and CEO of Manage, a leading advertising technology platform acquired by Criteo, that's NASDAQ CRTO, in 2018 and Cofounder and CTO of Oversee, one of the first internet domain names operators acquired by private equity firm Oak Hill Capital Partners in 2009. Finally, Fred is a prolific Angel investor and early backer of the Rubicon Project, which later became Magnite, which is also NASDAQ MGNI, the world's largest independent omnichannel sell-side platform. He graduated from the University of California, Los Angeles with a BS in Computer Science. Fred, welcome.

Thanks, Eathan and Josh.

It's great to have you here, Fred. It has been great having a chance to learn a little bit about you and your background over some meals and fun conversations.

Likewise.

I'm jealous you got to meet up in LA.

You will be here soon enough. That's another reason to take advantage of this real estate boom we call Los Angeles. Eathan, come on over.

There you go. Let's dive into the conversation with Fred here. How did you come up with ClubID? What makes it unique?

I came up with ClubID based on degen activity. I caught onto the whole NFT bandwagon relatively late. I've been in blockchain for about five years. I started doing my ETH projects back in 2017. I collected a portfolio of coins, protocols and gaming. For me, it started with technology. I've had a gaming background as well. I started a gaming studio years ago. That gaming studio was responsible for a lot of what we call MMORPG games on the App Store and Google Play Store.

We have been building a lot of this quick-hit, super fun and highly competitive games for a while now. Back in 2020 and 2021 as we hit one of the first booms of bull markets, it was very natural that I went into gaming. The metaverse was becoming in the public consciousness and being so hot. An acquisition by Gala Games was very natural. That was one experience as well in Web3.

To get to the original point, I was a degen. I've been in a degen since 2021. I purchased very expensive NFTs and noticed that there's a lack of utility. I plopped a bunch of money for an NFT. It's a great status thing. It's a great piece of art oftentimes but what can I do with it? I had gone to ApeFest 2022 in New York and thought this could probably be a little bit better of an experience, not only by way of what they call token gating but also the benefits. I bought merch, a Bored Ape hat, at that conference. I wanted to buy more. I spent a lot of time trying to figure out where to buy more. It wouldn't pop up.

I ultimately had to buy this stuff off of eBay. I thought, "That's another use case." As a degen, I would like to see, feel and experience something tangible, including merch. I thought, "Let's come together and figure out what this problem is." Based on my experience, it's an eyeball-in-the-audience thing. If we can figure out a way to aggregate this audience, we can bring them into live entertainment and venues. We can give them experiences, whether they're physical or digital. I'm working with a talented team. We look forward to the next iteration of our utility of these NFTs.

NFT Fred Hsu | Membership Platform
Membership Platform: ClubID encapsulates the idea of making NFTs into something tangible and bringing them into live entertainment and venues.

You're solving your problems. I like it.

To me, this feels like a total no-brainer that we have to have something like this in Web3. Jeff, who couldn't be here, is a veteran. When we were looking at how we support veterans at our other company, we turn to ID.me, which is a way of verifying military status for veterans. They have expanded to also verifying student status and other types of status. It makes sense that there needs to be a way to verify status that doesn't give away the farm. You don't want to overgive information but you need enough information to be able to make decisions around access.

I'm excited about what you are solving. It's a massive problem. When you're looking at Web3 identity and there are some nuances here that aren't relatively applicable to the Web2 world, what are some of the key principles that you keep in mind in the creation stage of things? How do you stay ahead of the curve? This is not a space that stays static by any means.

My perspective in building, scaling and exiting three different companies and also being a prolific-ish Angel investor is speed is of the essence. We are lucky to be at the right time and the right place in all prior endeavors. Speed is being at the right place at the right time, getting in there on the ground floor, understanding the ear to the market, listening to customer feedback, bringing it back to the back office and not relying on a giant monolithic org to push things forward 3 to 12 months from now because this industry can evolve overnight.

You're working hard. The experience that you have that I read through in the bio shows you know how to move quickly and make things happen. It's impressive. You have all that experience in building companies but also, you've been building this experience in the Web3 in-real-life space concurrently. I would love to hear what you think about Web3 IRL. You talked about going to ApeFest, getting merch, doing stuff and having something that you can hold in your hand. How do you see Web3 in-real-life world evolving in the coming years?

For me, it's a little simplistic. Having built several Web1, Web2 and Web3 companies, I adhere to the adage. Content is king for sure. They say, "Distribution is queen. The queen wears the pants in the family." I have to admire it when I see companies like Yuga assemble such a critical mass around their brand. It's the same thing with Azuki, Moonbirds, very large retail establishments, food brands, hotel brands and hospitality brands. Connecting those two has to be focusing on getting to the top of the ecosystem and being able to utilize that through trendsetters to have dolphins and minnows follow. If we can attack the whales and the head of the snake across several focused industries and if they work for them at scale, it makes things a lot easier down the line.

Do you have any visions of events or in-real-life stuff? Maybe that's not even events. That's a personal experience. You mentioned the hat. Is it something where you log in with your NFT, you have a merch, you click go and it shows up as it would on Amazon? What's your visualization of a real-life experience there?

For me, it's around something very common. It's about a QR code. My wife uses a QR code and a picture of her face to go into her fancy gym. We have seen all kinds of restaurants switching to QR code-based menus post-pandemic. There has to be instant recognition even going back to Super Bowl ads for it to be adopted in the public consciousness like Super Bowl, menus, going to the gym and hopefully soon the way people associate their NFTs and digital assets with their identity but that's only half of the problem.

The other problem is how you get these organizations to also be like, "That's a pretty common use case. I would love to have my audience classified and organized and be able to follow up with them, not just through their Web3 anon profile but also their real profile if they're to spend and enjoy themselves at my establishment, my business or whatever offering that the community organization or DAO might be able to offer them."

It's the QR code from that instant recognition but also everything underneath that iceberg. When I saw the environment, it was this concept called token gating. It's not token gating. You want to gate. It's person gating, purchasing power gating or however you want to think about that. Offline, even non-Web3 and certainly the Web1 and Web2 businesses I've built recognize that.

You answered one of my questions in advance. Some people are like, "There are some companies out there that launched a while ago and raised funding even to do token gating. Why do we need ClubID?" What you're getting to is some other unique use cases and features of ClubID that those folks aren't focusing on. It's not to say that there isn't room for a lot of folks in the sandbox. It's a big sandbox and there's plenty of room. It's a lot of fun but what are some of the unique use cases that you're focused on that are different from the folks that are out there already both in terms of awards and the real world?

One thing that we're pretty different in is that we built a full-on back-office CRM for these communities and organizations. Think about Salesforce meets an authentication protocol like Auth0 or other single sign-on services, plus eventually things like point of sale. If I'm Nike, Adidas or something, I may not be thinking in terms of token gating per se. I'm thinking in terms of, "How do I give a meaningful experience to these Web3 audiences or people who can spend?"

I read something that 70% of people who still purchase these digital assets and NFTs still do it as a social thing, a social flex, a social handle or something. It could mean much more. I can't stress enough too that unlike some of the other token gating companies, our things are all white labeled. I'm using as an example the Nike Web3 community. You feel like you're part of the Nike Web3 community, not that you're part of a big monolithic app.

No offense to Discord but you don't have to download a 100-megabyte app to get through and then fill out a bunch of things. You don't have to download one of the other companies in the space and wait for their next app update a month or two from now to get that feature your community needs. We like to keep it web app-based. We like to keep it community-branded, simply power that back office and be that connective tissue in between. That's pretty different but we are QR code-driven pretty much like everybody on the front end.

That's interesting you mentioned the CRM side of it. One of the cool things you have with these tokens, especially these collections, is you do have a community. You know who the members are but in this anonymous way. You could do some research to find out who they are and all these types of things to connect it with a CRM-type capability to engage with them. I'm sure privacy gating becomes what people want to opt into at that point but it's direly needed. That's a great angle to take.

What's the payoff too? What interesting things are we building or activating in person? What thing can they not currently get even in the non-Web3 world? Maybe they can get access to the physical clubs that we're going to be building and announcing with a major partner coming up. That's verticalized and token-gated but also experience-wise, it's something that you probably haven't experienced before.

We're working on that with two pretty exciting partners, each one of them with thousands of employees. There are huge brands behind them, both in Web3 and also in real life. Being able to build a stack custom-tailored to those partners is a dream come true for me as a builder. Ultimately, it will strengthen this idea that we're not just a bunch of tokens. We're people with disposable income per my prior point. The rest is up to the ecosystem to drive content, food and music.

When you say a physical club experience, are we talking about a nightclub experience or Soho House? If you're a member, come on in and do your thing. Use the spaces and rooms. Club is a versatile word. What do you envision?

Eathan is trying to ask if there is going to be a bottle service for him. That's what he means.

Bottle service and complimentary massages.

I am a part of some clubs like one in San Francisco named Modernist. They're great people. I bought into that club for something like $10,000 a while ago. It was all through word of mouth. There are bottle lockers. They hold regular weekly events. I did moderate a discussion with a recent presidential candidate. That was cool for that specific audience to be able to experience, at least in San Francisco, as they think about what a Soho House in Miami or what a Soho House type of experience in LA might be. Before the Web3 community, I get pretty excited because I'm all over that.

It's the content, the people, the programming, the food, the drink and pairing with awesome partners from the offline world, food and beverage with 400 restaurants. They know their experiences. It's not just a restaurant. You have to have experience. That's along the vein of Soho House, Modernist or even Battery club. I don't know too much about Gary Vee's club coming up but I'm pretty excited and I'll probably buy a membership for that too.

The content, people, programming, and the community make the Web3 experience exciting. Click To Tweet

Let's cover the CRM side of things a little bit more because that is a unique component that we have talked about here. I would love to learn more about how you see blockchain-based CRM and ticketing changing the industry and what challenges you see facing them. I have an opinion here as we have talked about because of our exploration of NFT ticketing for our events. It's not a straight line when you're dealing with a multi-day event with in-and-out in different components and access points. More broadly speaking, what do you see as the opportunity and challenges when it comes to CRM and ticketing solutions in blockchain?

With CRM, it's pretty much a green field. Ultimately, if you're a conference organizer, a startup or a big company, it's universally understood that the value of emails, names and phone numbers is pretty critical. It's unique to then start going above and beyond and connecting that with wallet addresses. For the first time, people are able to gauge my spending power through full KYC or at least basic KYC and then a whole slew of potential products you could build around that.

The CRM, to talk about the nuts and bolts, is grabbing some basic information. If I am a restaurant operator or club operator like one of the ones we're building, I want to see the CEO of Warner Music come in. You scanned in. Every one of my staff, including the onsite manager, is going to get a group WhatsApp, "Here you go Mr. Bob Smith. Here's a front-row seat table for you."

A CRM to me is true relationship management, tying that to point of sale. Another experience I have in private social clubs is I never need to drop down my card for anything. They knew who I am. They take it from my account or in this case, they take it from my debit card or my credit card and file but maybe I also put some ApeCoin on my balance. Take from that. I don't care. Part of the exclusivity and enjoyment factor is tied to convenience. That was a lot more than your basic CRM. It's new for Web3 in my opinion.

NFT Fred Hsu | Membership Platform
Membership Platform: CRM is the true relationship management that ties everything to the point of sale.

It harkens me back to that movie about Jiro, the sushi chef. When you come to a sushi restaurant in Tokyo, they take meticulous notes on everything from whether or not you're left-handed to right-handed. Everything is precise. They have that record old school. You think about how special you feel when you go there. You don't even realize that they're putting the sushi in a convenient place because you're left-handed. If you can give people that elevated experience, it makes life more interesting.

On the economics side too, I checked $500 billion tied up or locked into crypto, funneled by probably less than millions. How do you get access to them and try to treat them as special?

Speaking of what's on the agenda, you alluded to some partnerships and ideas. Is there anything else you can share with us about your roadmap, partnerships, artists collabs and features we might be on the lookout for?

We're starting with the US and then we're going to be broadening out a bit, not necessarily by traveling a lot but more so by piggybacking off of our partners. To give you an example, the physical club that we're building in West Hollywood is going to be a 10,000-square-foot club. It's going to be announced very soon. If you buy a membership pass for that club, it gets you instant access to all the other clubs that we're building globally. The next is going to be in London, New York, Vegas, Miami, Paris, Hong Kong, Tokyo and ironically, all the hubs where Web3 convenes anyway. I would love to convene.

We were throwing another token-gated party in the Hollywood Hills for a bunch of Apes, Azukis and CLONEXs. They're like, "What are we supposed to do? Are we supposed to hang out at these people's houses?" I was like, "it would be way better and more convenient if we have these membership clubs. We're all dropping 10 to 50 more ETH for these digital assets. What are another few ETHs to truly be part of this global physical members club too?" Hearing that type of stuff on the ground floor live is pretty cool.

That's awesome. It's exciting. I can't wait to see what's going on there.

You're fishing out of the space and looking around. I'm sure there are some projects that you respect and maybe some ones you're tracking. Why don't you give our audiences a little bit of alpha here? What have you been following? What are you excited about outside of your direct world?

I'm still a fan of art and art-based assets and NFTs. We will probably mention this shout-out later. One of my friends is this guy named Vollut. He's based in Russia. He's a great artist. I still support the arts. We had a celebrity chef. The whole mission behind this artist was they were trying to become the first Michelin star-backed in-real-life supper club, which I thought was pretty cool.

The project is called Bored Supper Club. They minted. If you think about the NFT side and what they minted, it was an access pass. It was a cool-looking access pass but when people buy into it, they think about what access that represents. Tech, token gating and CRM stuff aside, it's a cool cause. It's arts to me and the culinary stuff. Josh, you're also from that field. I have an interest in that as well.

I've been following a couple of new supply chain solutions. We had UNISOT on the show. That is helping with the traceability of fishing in Europe, which is exciting. There are lots of cool use cases there. You're at the edge of utility, Fred. You will find a lot of what you're looking for from a utility perspective at Outer Edge LA. I'm excited to be collaborating with you on a VIP experience to kick off the week. This is the time for real utility. What you're doing checks that box. Kudos to you. Keep on building.

I'm super excited to be partnering with Outer Edge LA as well and so are our partners.

That concludes our regular interview segment. What we are going to get onto next is our Edge Quick Hitters. I'm excited about this. These are fun and quick ways to get to know you a bit better. There are ten questions we're looking for a short, single-word or few-word response but feel free to expand if you get the urge. First question, what is the first thing you remember ever purchasing in your life?

An RC car in middle school.

What about the first thing you remember ever selling in your life?

Newspapers, also in middle school.

How did you sell them?

I was a paperboy up in Redondo Beach in Torrance, California. We had a pretty good technique for the way you folded the paper. If you crease it a certain way, you could fling it through the air and indefinitely hit that in 7,500 feet if you're good.

You could probably make more money playing a game about delivering newspapers than delivering newspapers but at the time, that was a great job. You're getting into the world of media. Maybe you read an article once in a while and learn something.

We loved it because we were paid for candy and soda.

Fred, what is the most recent thing you remember purchasing?

A ski rack for my car.

There was snow in Los Angeles. There's some climate situation going on because it has been raining, hailing and snowing in LA. Those ski racks may come in handy without having to travel too far. What is the most recent thing you sold?

As a household, Poshmark. My wife sold some baby clothes.

My girlfriend is so into selling on that site too. That's a whole world I don't understand.

I've got some good deals on there. It's like eBay but posh.

It has a cooler name than eBay. Therefore, it has cooler objects. It's cooler to buy and sell them there. It's generally cooler.

I like that you can make an offer over there. You could say, "Here's what I'll give you," and potentially get a little bit better deal.

Some crazy bundles go on. Sophia was telling me that she will sell five things. One item will be 60. Someone will bundle everything together and say, "I'll give you $30 for the whole bundle."

Next question, what is your most prized possession?

Probably my Rolex stainless steel Daytona I'm holding over here. It was hard for me to find years ago. I'm not going to show you but I'm a true nerd too. I got my Casio underneath it.

Next question, if you could buy anything in the world, digital, physical, service or experience that is currently for sale, what would it be?

The dot-com registry from Verisign. It's digital.

That's a very unique answer. We certainly haven't had that one before.

I come from the domain space. I could tell you that although I know that there has been a lot of entrance into this space from the Web3 world, nothing beats good old-fashioned domain names. I'm a little partial to that. You're a spot in my heart.

There has been a lot of entrances into the domain space from the Web3 world, but nothing beats good old-fashioned domain names. Click To Tweet

If Jeff was here, he would agree. He's a domain name freak.

Unstoppable Domains is another exciting patron. I would snag all their domains if I could. If you could pass on one of your personality traits to the next generation, what would it be?

Tenacity. I never give up.

If you're not ready to give up yet and you could eliminate one of your personality traits from the next generation, what would it be?

Insensitivity mostly toward people's feelings and stuff. I was worse when I was in my 20s and 30s. Let's say I had to survive in the whole cutthroat West Coast startup ecosystem. I'm a little bit older and wiser now. I have more patience, especially since I'm a dad. I would happily do away with that side.

If someone meets Fred at Outer Edge LA, give him a hug.

Going back to the last one, you said you're passing on the personality trait of persistence or never giving up but where do you give up? I want to know. Are there places where you've realized giving up is winning? Does that land anywhere with you?

Historically, I only give up when there's a hard figure, stat or decision. Let's say it cannot be appealed. I'm probably the most stubborn of them all up into the highest levels until it's definitively a no.

The next question is an easy one. What did you do before joining us on the show?

I was taking a twenty-minute nap.

The final question is this. What are you going to do next after the show?

I'm going to jump on a phone call with one of my colleagues. We're going to go through a deck.

Somebody is pitching. You're going to decide.

We're pitching. We're getting it refined for a partnership or a stakeholder of that flavor.

That's fun from both angles. That sounds like a great next thing on the agenda. That is our Quick Hitter segment. We're going to move right along to Hot Topics. It's an exciting one. We have a very special Hot Topic. We're joined by Max Smotritskiy, Founding Partner of the CryptoOracle Collective, the leading decentralized Web3 advisory service that houses 150-plus experts.

Max started his career as a professional poker player for over ten years. That led to building forecasting models for fantasy sports, which brought him to the world of Web3. He is looking to grow with the space while providing community-oriented advisory and education to those who want to work in crypto, plus offering expert advisory services to fledgling companies through the Collective. Max, it's great to meet you. Welcome to the show.

Thanks for having me.

It's great to see you, Max. We like to do fun pairings from time to time on the show. This is a good one. We've got two different organizations that are both trying to pioneer what it means to build community and create more value in this space. It has been an honor to work with you over at CryptoOracle.

Thanks so much. Outer Edge LA has been a great partner to us. As we grow in this space, we can both greatly benefit from this partnership in bringing our communities together most importantly.

I'm excited to have Fred here more about what you are up to because I see some synergy there as well. Why don't you kick us off by talking a little bit about how the community is not only central to every NFT and crypto project but how it plays a role in your latest initiative with Lou?

Lou has been the community guru for I don't know how long. He was the first one to call that Facebook is a community project on Wall Street. Partnering with Lou has opened my eyes to the community. I started in poker. The community in poker was three people going over hands together and maybe pooling money together to play higher-stake games or enter bigger tournaments. The lack of community in poker was something that I noticed right away. People were a lot more cutthroat and didn't want to share information. When I first started in the Web3 space not knowing much, I bought Bitcoin because that was the only way I could cash out from poker sites and put money into poker sites.

That's how I fell into Bitcoin but I certainly knew nothing about the technology or anything of that sort. I first explored the community right after Ethereum launched. That opened my eyes to how powerful the community could be. People were working together for the good of each other and supporting each other to grow in the space. When it comes to advisory services, I thought that it would be powerful to partner with people that had the same framework of mind as I do and as Lou does and build something bigger that two people could build together. That's what the community is all about.

The power of the Bitcoin community comes from people working together for the good of each other and supporting everyone to grow in the space. Click To Tweet

In a nutshell, how would you describe CryptoOracle?

CryptoOracle is a decentralized advisory group. I would call our period of decentralization the benevolent dictatorship where Lou and I make most of the decisions but we're certainly moving toward a more decentralized system. The way I envision it working is projects pitch to us. Somebody raises their hand and says, "I want to work on this project." They build a team out of collective partners that are members of the Collective and offer their expert advice on how to make that project a success.

There are all sorts of features that you have of a community. We talked about having a cool club to hang out in, do some fun stuff and get special treatment but there is that aspect of having a community. They say, "You're the average of the five people that you spend the most time with." It's having a community of folks that can give you their perspective or point of view and lift each other. That's cool to integrate that. Can you tell me more about how tokenomics-wise this all works out? Is there any particular uniqueness around the tokenomics of this?

The only reason the Collective works is through a token-based system. I was advising NFT projects during the bull market. It was easy to get paid in NFTs or tokens as part of the mint because there was a large liquidity pool that you could always tap into but once the bear market hit, Lou and I got together. We were both stumped as to how to make the illiquid tokens, NFTs or equity liquid.

We came up with a CryptoOracle Collective token. What we do is take equity or tokens as part of our payment for the advisory services we provide. We put those into a treasury and then mint a CryptoOracle Collective token that represents the basket of all of the things that are in our treasury. That's how we pay our members for working on projects. That token is tradable in Uniswap as an ETH pairing and a USDC pairing. If I need to pay for my kids' daycare, I can go and cash out that token, get USDC and be able to pay for the goods and services that I use every day.

NFT Fred Hsu | Membership Platform
Membership Platform: CryptoOracle takes equity or tokens as part of payment for their advisory services. They put those into a treasury and mint a token that represents the basket of everything in it.

It's a radical new model. It takes someone like Lou who has seen it all and has been here for a while to come up with something so creative. I would love to learn a little bit more about what that governance and consensus model looks like in terms of your platform at the moment.

We're a DAO. One token, one vote. Most of the DAOs that are voting are comprised of people that are working on projects. Out of the 150 members that we have of the Collective, about 1/3 are getting paid and earning tokens. They're able to vote on which project we take on next, what we do with our treasury and so forth. We want it to be structured as the people that are the biggest stakeholders get to make all the decisions and drive the mission of the Collective forward.

We have to wrap this one up. It has been fun talking about all this with you. You're wearing your pizza shirt. We got to talk about pizza before we got started. That was fun. We want people to be able to follow you and learn more because we only have so much time. Where can people go, website or social stuff?

We're at CryptoOracle.io and also @CryptoOracleDAO on Twitter. You can always follow me @DFSMax on Twitter as well. Those are the best ways. We're also on LinkedIn as we're trying to be professional. Those are the two best platforms that you could follow for the CryptoOracle Collective. If you want to work in the space, please reach out. If you have a company that needs advisory work, we're always looking for new projects to work with.

I've had a chance to be part of the CryptoOracle ecosystem, enjoying some of the interesting weekly meetings. It's incredible what you are building. You've managed to put together a powerhouse group of real professionals in this space. I'm excited to have you come to Outer Edge LA. I enjoyed working with you. Thanks for all the support.

Thanks so much. One thing I didn't mention is one of the perks of being a Collective member is you get to join our Monday, Wednesday and Friday meetings where we bring in voices from the space or cool companies to talk to the Collective and give a little alpha about what they're doing. That's certainly one of the reasons people like being a member of the Collective as well.

Before you run, in the chat, you're mentioning it was fun to answer the Quick Hitter questions. What was your favorite personal answer that came out of that?

Here's another way to say it. What was the question that you wish we asked you?

The funniest one was, "Where do you give up?" My answer is always when I'm fighting with my wife. That's when I give up because I know I'm not going to win.

That's an interesting law of the land. It's pretty consistent across.

Do you have any kids, Max?

I have two little kids.

You don't stand a chance then. I'm there with you.

It's a hurricane outside. I shut the windows and wait it out.

That makes a lot of sense. It has been great to chat with you, Max. Thanks for joining. We're going to move on and start wrapping things up here but before we do, Fred, we want to give you an opportunity to do a little bit of a shout-out. We understand you might have someone cool to bring the audience's attention to and give some love.

Thanks. My shout-out is to a very talented artist named Vollut. Vollut is a Russian national. He's currently living outside of Russia. We're working hard to help him come to the States over here. He is going to be doing a drop soon. Look out, if you would like, on Twitter. There's super awesome 3D high-definition stuff that you're used to seeing in a Disney movie but done grassroots by one man. Mad respect for Vollut.

I'm checking out the Twitter feed. It's @Vollut. There are interesting animations. It's very much a unique character even though you might see a similar quality in a Disney type of thing. It's got a very unique character to it. I always like to see that. Thanks for the shout-out. The next thing we're going to do is start to wrap up here but before we do that, tell people where to go to find out more about ClubID and you.

Check out our Twitter. It is @ClubIDOfficial. Our corporate website is intentionally boring since we place less emphasis on ourselves and more on the communities that we power but that site is called ID.Club. That we will be updated pretty soon with some interesting additional partnerships.

Is there anything else?

Nope. Thanks for having me and your partnership.

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